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alexts
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Serbia
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 Posted - 03/05/2024 : 11:30:49
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Ako se drži ovog jednostavnog uslova, ne bi trebalo da se greši u svrstavanju.
Božićni film nije žanr, to je jasno. Zato jeste papazjanija, naročito ako se ubacuju i oni koji tu ne spadaju. |
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ridiculus
Senior Member
1421 Posts
Member since 11/06/2008 |
Posted - 03/05/2024 : 12:47:46
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| "Božićni film" bi mogao biti podvrsta prazničnih filmova. Možemo imati uskršnji film, prvomajski film, đurđevdanski film, svetovalentinskodanski film... |
In Love, if Love be Love, if Love be ours,
Faith and unfaith can ne'er be equal powers |
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King Warrior
stripovi.com suradnik
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Member since 10/11/2007 |
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manhunter
Moderator
Switzerland
24752 Posts
Member since 17/09/2004 |
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gaspa127
Starting Member
48 Posts
Member since 11/11/2022 |
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Shaner
Advanced Member
Croatia
6989 Posts
Member since 24/09/2012 |
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alexts
Advanced Member
Serbia
6997 Posts
Member since 25/09/2005 |
Posted - 04/05/2024 : 23:24:33
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Shaneru, tebi treba algoritam:
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Objective Questions to Determine If It’s a Christmas Movie:
Is Christmas literally in the title? (80 points)
Does the title not include Christmas, but there is a direct allusion to Christmas in the title (i.e. Jingle All the Way) (60 points)
Does the plot synopsis mention Christmas? (30 points)
Does the theme or plot of the film revolve around Christmas? (20)
It has at least one scene relevant to Christmas itself. (20)
Is there more than one scene set at Christmas? (10)
Does at least 50% of the film take place during the Christmas season? (10)
Does at least 90% of the film take place during the Christmas season (10)
Was the film originally released during the Christmas season? (10)
Does the film have a history of being played on television networks—or heavily promoted on streaming—during the Christmas season, thus cementing its association with Christmas? (15)
Is there Christmas music on the soundtrack? (20)
Does the film have various classic Christmas motifs in more than once scene, i.e. poinsettias, Christmas trees, and mistletoe? (20)
Is the narrative family friendly? (5)
Is there a redemption narrative? (5)
Subjective Questions:
Does it seem weird to watch it during other parts of the year? (30)
Do you feel a sense of obligation to watch it every Christmas season? (20)
If you’re going to watch only one movie this Christmas, do you feel comfortable choosing this one? (20)
Now, for the points breakdown:
Less than 60: Not a Christmas Movie Unless You’re Really Trying to Prove Some Kind of Point About Something
60-109 Points: Arguably a Christmas Movie
110-174 Points: Definitely A Christmas Movie
175+ Points: Entirely a Christmas Movie, to the Point Where It’s Weird to Watch it in During Other Parts of the Year
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Shaner
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Croatia
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Shaner
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Tonto
Advanced Member
7874 Posts
Member since 11/02/2012 |
Posted - 05/05/2024 : 00:14:51
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| A jebemu sve ako je v for vendeta superjerojski film. Nije ni hellboy, al ajde... |
The less I have the more I am a happy man |
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Zula
Average Member
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Member since 07/10/2015 |
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manhunter
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Switzerland
24752 Posts
Member since 17/09/2004 |
Posted - 05/05/2024 : 08:11:55
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Ja sam razmišljao da li da uopšte stavim The Crow u nominacije, a sad vidim da ljudi stavljaju svašta nešto po superheroje.. Vendetta? Everything at once bullshit je superherojski? Witches of Eastwick? Flash Gordon?
A stvarno sad... Vi ili ne razumete žanrove, ili se zezate sa izborom. Drugo objašnjenje nemam. Ja sam barem u ovoj kategoriji očekivao da sve bude jasno. |
I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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Zula
Average Member
822 Posts
Member since 07/10/2015 |
Posted - 05/05/2024 : 08:34:59
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Originally posted by manhunter
Ja sam razmišljao da li da uopšte stavim The Crow u nominacije, a sad vidim da ljudi stavljaju svašta nešto po superheroje.. Vendetta? Everything at once bullshit je superherojski? Witches of Eastwick? Flash Gordon?
A stvarno sad... Vi ili ne razumete žanrove, ili se zezate sa izborom. Drugo objašnjenje nemam. Ja sam barem u ovoj kategoriji očekivao da sve bude jasno.
U ovoj, kao i u drugim kategorijama, postoje sive zone žanra + iskonska želja ljudi da budu sigurni, tj. da superherojskih film budu samo Marvel i DC.
A kategorija se ne zove DC i Marvel 😜
Poštujem da neki vole samo (ili najviše) DC-Marvelove superheroje, ali postoji i drugi filmovi...
Neke sam nabrojao, a za neke mi je žao što nisam, npr. svi Drakula, Frankenstein i vampirski filmovi.
Ako te ugrize pauk onda je to superherojskih film, a ako te ugrize vampir onda nije, daj me nemoj... 🤣
Što je to drugačije između Crow i Drakule?
"Real love is forever"..."
Vendetta i Flash Gordon, oni su superherojski možda po ideji ne po sposobnostima, ali neka ih.
Vještice iz Eastwicka su superherojke protiv superheroja Nicholsona, a ideja filma je daleko bolja od većine "pravih" superherojskih.
Everything... u sebi ima sve što ima svaki superherojski, a još je i duhovit. Kao i Thor, kad je postao duhovit (Ragnarok) odmah je bio bolji...
Manhunteru, stavi sve nominirano, bez da svađu započinješ 😂, a pristojno raspravljati možemo koliko god tko želi.
A neke franšize "nikako ne umirućih" su više superherojske od nominiranih (Rocky, Rambo, Fast and Furious, The Expendables...)
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Edited by - Zula on 05/05/2024 08:40:00 |
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Tonto
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manhunter
Moderator
Switzerland
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Member since 17/09/2004 |
Posted - 05/05/2024 : 08:42:07
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| Nisam ni rekao da dolazi u obzir samo DC\Marvel. Ali mislim da svi ovde veoma dobro znamo šta su superheroji, a šta osobe sa natprirodnim moćima. Nominacije ću večeras da stavim, pa krećemo sa glasanjem. Sad sam samo na mobilnom. |
I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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Zula
Average Member
822 Posts
Member since 07/10/2015 |
Posted - 05/05/2024 : 08:52:10
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Originally posted by manhunter
Nisam ni rekao da dolazi u obzir samo DC\Marvel. Ali mislim da svi ovde veoma dobro znamo šta su superheroji, a šta osobe sa natprirodnim moćima. Nominacije ću večeras da stavim, pa krećemo sa glasanjem. Sad sam samo na mobilnom.
To je kao da kažeš, svi dobro znamo što je vampir, što vukodlak, a što zombi.
Ništa, zajedno sa superherojima, ne postoji, ali dobro znamo što su 🤣
To što misliš da svi dobro znaju proističe iz okvira postavljenih od DC i Marvela, i onda normalno da nema mjesta za idejom vrlo slične filmove. |
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manhunter
Moderator
Switzerland
24752 Posts
Member since 17/09/2004 |
Posted - 05/05/2024 : 08:55:08
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| Pojam superheroj nije nastao sa Drakulom, niti sa Frankensteinovim čudovištem. Svi znamo kada je to počelo. |
I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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ridiculus
Senior Member
1421 Posts
Member since 11/06/2008 |
Posted - 05/05/2024 : 09:00:46
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Zula (i ostali), samo da bude kristalno jasno, Herkul i Persej i Tezej i ostali (Sigurd Volsung, Oisin, Biberče, itd) su bili heroji, a ne superheroji. Odatle je reč došla.
Moć nije definišući faktor. |
In Love, if Love be Love, if Love be ours,
Faith and unfaith can ne'er be equal powers |
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Zula
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822 Posts
Member since 07/10/2015 |
Posted - 05/05/2024 : 09:01:14
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Originally posted by manhunter
Pojam superheroj nije nastao sa Drakulom, niti sa Frankensteinovim čudovištem. Svi znamo kada je to počelo.
Kad je Kal-El došao s Kriptona. 😂
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ridiculus
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Zula
Average Member
822 Posts
Member since 07/10/2015 |
Posted - 05/05/2024 : 09:05:32
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| Manhunteru, kužiš koliko je to besmisleno. Postavljati stroge okvire za nešto što ne postoji. To je samo ideja koja ima različite forme, ne samo one koje postavlja DC i Marvel (da netko ne pomisli da ih ne volim, gledao sam skoro sve DC i Marvel filmove) |
Edited by - Zula on 05/05/2024 09:12:18 |
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ridiculus
Senior Member
1421 Posts
Member since 11/06/2008 |
Posted - 05/05/2024 : 09:10:53
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Pa da, to onda važi za ovo što to tvrdiš. Ja sam pristalica Okamove oštrice i ne trebaju mi viškovi. Evo, uvešću sad reč hiperheroj, i značiće isto što i superheroj i heroj pre toga, ali će biti kul, i svi ćemo pričati o hiperherojima.
Ili, možda postoji neka finija odrednica, pošto je superheroj kao pojam nastao u američkom urbanom okruženju, i hvatao se u koštac sa problemima tog okruženja. |
In Love, if Love be Love, if Love be ours,
Faith and unfaith can ne'er be equal powers |
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Zula
Average Member
822 Posts
Member since 07/10/2015 |
Posted - 05/05/2024 : 09:11:24
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Originally posted by ridiculus
Zula (i ostali), samo da bude kristalno jasno, Herkul i Persej i Tezej i ostali (Sigurd Volsung, Oisin, Biberče, itd) su bili heroji, a ne superheroji. Odatle je reč došla.
Moć nije definišući faktor.
Herkul bi bio superheroj da ga je Marvel izmislio, ovako je samo heroj s moćima 🤣 |
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ridiculus
Senior Member
1421 Posts
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Posted - 05/05/2024 : 09:16:31
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Herkul je heroj s moćima iz obrnute perspektive, naknadne perspektive, iliti perspektive nepotrebnih viškova. Mi smo herojima oduzeli moći a onda ih ponovo dodali kao superherojima. To su dve radnje od kojih su obe nepotrebne.
U prevodu, Herakle (rimski Herkul) za Grke (i sve ostale do pre koju stotinu godina) nije bio heroj SA moćima, već samo heroj, jer heroj(=zaštitnik) bez moći nije postojao. |
In Love, if Love be Love, if Love be ours,
Faith and unfaith can ne'er be equal powers |
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ridiculus
Senior Member
1421 Posts
Member since 11/06/2008 |
Posted - 05/05/2024 : 09:19:46
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Ali ipak ću da tvrdim ono što sam čuo da neki drugi tvrde, a to je da je za superheroja neophodna borba za pravdu (principe građanskog društva, rekao bi ironičar).
U tom strogom smislu Hulk nije superheroj, ali ga tu svrstavamo zbog povezanosti svih tih priča. |
In Love, if Love be Love, if Love be ours,
Faith and unfaith can ne'er be equal powers |
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